and for those who say we can go over the fiscal cliff and it might not be such a bad thing, you say? >> i say there are people that don't have anybody that works for them. you know, in other words, we haven't been on this for two weeks or two days or two months. we've been working on this for 2 1/2 years. what happened in july of 2011 was ugly. i read stories now that say, you know, the president lost, or he shouldn't have done this. or speaker boehner did that. they both failed. you know, nobody won on that moment in time. it made us -- it hurt us inside and outside the country. so i would say that if this goes into next year, we ought to consider that failure. we ought to get these guys to do a deal that they know we can do and we've got to get them to do it now. and this is not just jeff immelt at ge speaking. this is really, i would say, the business community almost universally speaks with one voice that this needs to get done now and moving it into next year is just failure. >> i don't know of any ceo who knows more about the world because of how much you travel and how many co